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Recorded live at Black Hat, Caroline Wong and Allie Mellen unpack why AI made nation-state attacks cheaper, why safety guardrails can work against you, and what the OpenAI-Hugging Face incident really exposed.

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Caroline Wong & Allie Mellen
Caroline Wong & Allie Mellen
​Caroline Wong is the Chief Strategy Officer at Axari & Allie Mellen is the Principal Analyst at Forrester

Caroline Wong is the Chief Strategy Officer at Axari and author of The AI Cybersecurity Handbook. A respected cybersecurity leader, educator, and advisor, Caroline is known for helping organizations understand and navigate the rapidly changing intersection of AI and security. ​Allie Mellen is the Principal Analyst at Forrester and author of Code War: How Nations Hack, Spy, and Shape the Digital Battlefield. Her work focuses on the geopolitical impact of cyber conflict and the ways nation-states leverage technology to shape global power.

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Mo Sadek
Mo Sadek
Technical Marketer Director, Alice

Mo is an AI security practitioner with over a decade of experience in application and product security, spanning hands-on engineering, program building, and cross-functional leadership. At Alice, he focuses on advancing how organizations understand, test, and manage real-world risks in AI systems, helping bridge security research, product, and emerging AI governance needs.

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