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LIVE from Black Hat Las Vegas: AI, Nation-States, and the Battlefield That Keeps Changing
What if the biggest threat to your security team isn't the attacker, it's the model you're relying on to stop them? LIVE from Black Hat Las Vegas, Mo and Madi bring together two cybersecurity authors, Caroline Wong, Chief Strategy Officer at Axari and author of The AI Cybersecurity Handbook, and Allie Mellen, Principal Analyst at Forrester and author of Code War, who wrote very different books that turn out to be arguing the same point. One explains why nations attack the way they do. The other explains why AI just changed the cost, speed, and scale of everything. Tune in!
Caroline Wong is the Chief Strategy Officer at Axari and author of The AI Cybersecurity Handbook. A respected cybersecurity leader, educator, and advisor, Caroline is known for helping organizations understand and navigate the rapidly changing intersection of AI and security. ​Allie Mellen is the Principal Analyst at Forrester and author of Code War: How Nations Hack, Spy, and Shape the Digital Battlefield. Her work focuses on the geopolitical impact of cyber conflict and the ways nation-states leverage technology to shape global power.
Mo is an AI security practitioner with over a decade of experience in application and product security, spanning hands-on engineering, program building, and cross-functional leadership. At Alice, he focuses on advancing how organizations understand, test, and manage real-world risks in AI systems, helping bridge security research, product, and emerging AI governance needs.
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